We all already knew that Anthony Randolph would be a major topic for off-season discussion after he posted 11.3 points, 8.4 boards, 1 steal, and 1.6 blocks in 23 games down the stretch for the Warriors. What we didn’t know is how soon he’d be forcing the discussion to start. You can’t help but wonder about his potential after seeing his 42-point, four-steal, three-block performance (in 34 minutes) in summer action on Tuesday. In four games, he’s averaged 26.8 points on 61 percent shooting, 8.5 boards, 2.2 steals, and 3 blocks (33 minutes). Here are a few reactions to his play thus far:
Through four games, the Warriors’ second-year forward is averaging 26.8 points, 8.5 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2.2 steals, and 1.3 assists per game. He’s shooting 60.9 percent from the field and 74.4 percent from the free-throw line. It’s been enough to prompt ESPN NBA expert Henry Abbott to label Randolph “the most dominant, skilled, devastating player in town.”
ESPN.com’s Kevin Arnovitz wrote: “Randolph’s dominance this week can’t be overstated. The scoring exploits are impressive, but Randolph has been at it defensively (12 blocks and nine steals in four games), on the glass (8.5 rebounds per game), and passing out of double teams with poise and precision (zero turnovers in Tuesday’s game). Randolph isn’t only the primary scorer on the floor, but the most creative facilitator”.
The first thing I’ll say about Randolph is that he should be putting numbers like this together against summer foes if he’s going to be a difference-maker against starting NBA power forwards next season. I’ll also point you to a month-old Contra Costa Times article that described the 20-year-old (today is his birthday) as getting a jump-start on his summer regimen, working on his efficiency, strength, and footwork. Clearly he has tremendous athletic gifts, is demonstrating a work ethic, and is in one of the fantasy game’s favorite systems. The proverbial “big if” centers around whether or not he can/will stay in Nellie’s good graces all season, and what in particular will happen if he does not?
Thomas was a fairly low-key post-hype success story this past season, finishing the season with a cumulative rank of 48th. Over his final 39 games of the season, his per-game rank clocked in at a very tidy 38th (31.5 min, 13.3 pts, .471 FG%, .770 FT%, 7.6 reb, 1.3 stl, 2.1 blk, 1.1 ast, 1.8 to). Sadly, most of the bandwagon had emptied by the time he finally put together numbers to celebrate. The Bulls’ draft raised questions about his future with the team and trade rumors swirled in recent days, but as of right now he’s the starting power forward for the Bulls.
Upside has never been an issue for the 23-year-old Thomas; consistency of production and playing time have been. If you take a look at his monthly splits from last season, you’ll see good signs in both regards. The question you have to ask yourself with Thomas deals with his having finally turned a corner or not.
So where do you stand on the issue?
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I was ridiculously lucky enough to grab BOTH of these guys with a month left last year, and they promptly rewarded me with a 1st place finish, so I wouldn’t be upset to nab either of them next year. The question is where will they be drafted? I can’t help thinking they’ll outperform guys like Kirilenko, Redd, Jefferson, etc. who will likely get drafted ahead of them. Between the two, I gotta go with Randolph after that showing. I’d mark AR as a 5th rounder for now, and TT as a 6th or 7th I think.
randolph running away with it early…
neither were drafted in the recent yahoo mock, which went 60 picks deep, but i have a feeling randolph would be at this point. 5th or 6th round seems to be the right time to start thinking about them, but it’s mid-july and we have no idea how crazy the randolph hype is going to get. randolph could end up out-producing thomas head-to-head, but thomas could end up as the better value pick on draft day
Digressing a bit from these two, but I think I would rather take a flyer on Westbrook.
i’m not sure he’s going to make enough improvements in all 3 of his problem areas – 3s, FG%, TO – next season to warrant tons of optimism for 9-cat purposes
if this stays a blowout, perhaps i’ll phrase the question in terms of draft value or something
I went with Randolph. I also took note of the article about his training this summer when it was written. Anybody who trains like that all summer is going to improve. If I heard reports of TT doing work all summer, I might have to reconsider. But I’ve never seen that kind of fire consistently from Thomas at any point in his career. It seems to me that Randolph is trying to be great, which bodes well for someone as young as him.
hard to disagree with that take. by the way peeps, phil has a site called basketball free for all and i encourage you to check it out
http://www.basketballfreeforall.com/
i changed the poll to something more ‘draft value’ related
Hey, thanks for the plug, Buser. It’s really a work in progress and will probably be under construction for the next year or so. Any constructive criticism is welcome.
can we add a neither for a fourth round pick i wouldn’t want Randolph i like his upside but i think you can do better in the 4th and for a late 5th i dot think i want tyrus either unless he gets moved
I thought Tyrus worked on his game pretty hard last off season by among other things, going through Thorpe’s grueling camp. Either way, I agree he didn’t grab the bull by the horns like Randolph after his first year.
As far as worrying about Nellie’s impact on AR’s development, I’m actually not that frightened. When Nellie likes a kid and they reciprocate by doing the things he asks (and they improve), he gives them plenty of time on the court.
Last season, Nellie got mad with AR a few times. But he also praised/rewarded him at times too – like giving him a start in Dallas, his hometown. With how AR’s looked in summer league plus his open thankfulness/admiration to Nellie & Staff, he is going to get solid run next season.
AR is a guy you’ve got to reach for next season. Last year, I had targeted Durant and it paid off. Seems like AR has similar multi-cat improvement written all over him and looks to be worth the reach.
I agree about not having to worry about Nelson with AR. I watched a couple of the Warriors summer league games recently and what really shocked me was AR’s play on both ends of the floor. Offensively and defensively he was straight hustling. He was sacrificing his body going after loose balls. In short, he is doing everything a coach could ask and I fully expect him to be rewarded.
Randolph as a “sleeper” is next season’s worst kept secret, which means (again like Red said) he will have to be targeted aggressively if you want to own him.
I’m going randolph all the way. i was lucky enough to pick him up for his late season stretch and i even took the time to watch some of his games. I was really impressed. He runs the floor really well and has very good ball handling and passing skills. He seems very smooth. I was surprised by his shot blocking skills too. He looks like he is going to be the real deal and an all star someday…
Why are you hyping him?! Jk, his stellar play in the summer league has already spoke volumes by itself. I guess one less sleeper to be had this upcoming season…
Strangely enough I was thinking about the Randolph v Thomas thing a few days ago, and had kinda concluded I’d be comfortable with Randolph in the 5th or 6th round. I’m also pretty enamoured after scooping him off the waiver towards the end of the season. Ironically enough the guy who had just dropped him (and had been holding him for most of the season) turned out to be my semi-final opponent. He must have been guttered
Actually, I’ll still have his rights in my keeper league. Wish we had 4 spots, but alas its only 3 and my top guys are Dwight, Deron, and Iggy. I wont be surprised if Randolph outperforms Iggy next year, but it’d be a ballsy call to make at this stage. What do you guys think about Randolph vs Iguodala?
I tend to air on the side of conservative thinking when it comes to these kind of questions. Unless you’re certain of picking up solid players with upside in the later rounds, I’d stick with Iggy as your 3rd keeper.
If you really don’t think he’ll be around by the 5th or 6th, though, you could raise some eyebrows and take him in the 4th. But again, you’d have to make sure your next two or three picks were solid with some upside imo.
you gotta go iggy, but could very well end up with randolph again
I’m liking Randolph more and more.
What little I’ve liked about Thomas, I’m beginning to like him even less now. I’m just not seeing the development there.
Yeah, definitely Iggy over Randolph, although in a keeper it’s closer than I might think.
Thomas won’t win this battle, but he’s still a great pick in my opinion. He’s just raw and inexperienced, but the upside is there.
I went Randolph, but I could change my mind if Thomas or another Bull gets moved.
Vinny Del Negro is the new Scott Skiles. Hard to trust any Bull right now not named Rose.
In the keeper league I am involved in, I ended up dropping him at the beginning of the year. Wish I had the courage to hold out. We keep a full roster of players year to year, and he would be great to have going into next year. Alas, I think I have J. Bayless or D. Arthur (not to be confused with Bea Arthur) instead!
Maybe if the hype dies down I can get him on the cheap next year?!
How are you guys feeling about Yao as a really late pick for standard roto leagues? News is that he’ll opt for surgery and can return to “basketball activity” in 6 months. That’s January but doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll play.
Is he Arenas for this year?
at this point, who really knows. things will be a bit clearer in a few months, but for now i’ll continue to have zero confidence
I think the 08-09 Arenas comparison is spot on. Basketball activities does not mean he steps onto a court for NBA action. It means barring any setback he starts doing individual drills, then 2 on 2, then 5 on 5, then practice, etc. before being cleared for action.
Honestly, he’s not worth the headache next season in redraft leagues.
Got two words for you – Manu Ginobili.
Yeah, I’d stay away from Yao until you actually SEE some basketball activity.
looking at espn now, it looks like he’s definitely not worth a draft pick, let alone a late season pickup.
Came across a pretty good documentary the other day called “The Year of the Yao” (2004), link below if anyone wants to watch it. Highlights include Yao’s first game against Shaq, and Charles kissing Kenny’s ass, literally, for betting him Yao wouldn’t score 19 points as a rookie. It’s amazing how influential he was overseas, and how much both China and Houston expected from him. I hope he comes back eventually, it’s nice to see some actual inspiration in the NBA, rather than all this other negativity.
http://www.wisevid.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ty42dexvvie5e1423232
I’ve seen that one several times – even my wife agrees that he is a very strong influence on the game (from a worldwide marketing perspective). She’s into basketball as well, but not the stats and number crunching so much as the human interest stories. Yao’s is one of those which really is inspirational (to borrow an observation from Cap.
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That’s why I was so taken back by the initial reports of the extent of his injury. It truly is a shame to lose someone like that so indefinitely, when we really need stories like that in the league to fuel general interest. You’ll always have the die-hard fans, but the casual fan seems to get turned off by all the negative stuff which happens – of course, that’s after the initial “You Tube” moment or it’s equivalent.
I hope he takes care of himself, rehabs the right way, and is back in full force to play a few more years. It could only add to his story.
Whoa, wifey? How old are you? I’m turning 20 next month, next oldest fantasy hoops head I know is my pops, who is 44
Cm’on dude – you know it’s not right to ask a man his age.
Oh…wait. That’s a woman.
In that case, I’m 39 years young and counting down!
How’s this for a nickname for AR?
A’dolph (as in the Fuhrer!) [url=http://www.thescubasite.com/Scuba-Diving-in-South-Africa/scuba-diving-in-south-africa][img]http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0003.gif[/img][/url]
Even though he’s worth a salute so far this off season, I think some would probably take offense. [url=http://www.thescubasite.com/Learn-To-Scuba-Dive/decompression-sickness-decompression-illness][img]http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif[/img][/url]
This seems a little hypey for me. Randolph finished strong, but D-League success has never been a predictor of anything.
i like that – a little hypey. it will be interesting what kind of monster will have been created by the time drafts roll around – his ADP will be the indicator
Look at it this way:
57 different players have finished in the top 5 of a cat (PTS, REB, AST) since the 2005 Summer League (Kaman had PTS/REB, Dwight had PTS/REB, John Lucas had PTS/AST). Only four of those players went on to finish with a 9-cat rank of 50 or higher the next season: CP3, D. Lee, Amare and Kevin Martin. That’s 7%.
This is the second league Randolph has made the top 5 in scoring, but five others have accomplished that feat: John Lucas, Josh Powell, Nate Robinson, Sebastian Telfair, and Kevin Martin. Martin was probably the best fantasy pick of the group, but his ADP didn’t skyrocket like it should have. Or maybe he was drafted just right… Summer League is a crap shoot, after all.
My point being an ADP of 45-50 would put him in some pretty elite company in terms of parlaying a successful Vegas into regular season stats.
I don’t think it’s too “hypey”, this kid can play, and he’s got an all-around game that’s perfect for fantasy. The block/steal combo guys are usually goldmines in fantasy, just look what it did for Nene. After checking, there were only 8 players with at least 1.0 steal and 1.0 block last year, Tyrus being one of them, and Lebron, Wade, Nene, Millsap, Howard, Aldridge, and Odom being two others. I don’t think there’s any doubt AR will be there next year.
I agree that D-League/Summer League isn’t the best indicator, but look at it this way, most of those guys are playing for a chance in the big show if not more minutes, so it’s not like they’re lollygagging around.
Correction: TWELVE players. Dwight Howard leads the pack, while Millsap and Aldridge barely made the cut last season:
D. Howard (3.9)
Tyrus Thomas (3.1)
Josh Smith (3)
Kenyon Martin (2.6)
Biedrins (2.5)
Nene (2.5)
Kirilenko (2.4)
Marion (2.3)
Odom (2.3)
Garnett (2.3)
Aldridge (2)
Millsap (2)
The prestigious 3pm/st/blk are:
Granger (5.1)
Wade (4.6)
L. James (4.3)
Garcia (3.6)
Don’t know if it is 100% accurate (perhaps 90%), but I believe I checked in May and have it saved on my Microsoft Word. And yes, AR WILL be in the former group…just look at his split stats for the post-All-Star break…he came damn close
My bad, was looking at “qualified” leaders who played in at least 85% of their team’s games, thanks.
For him to go ~45-50, I’d want more scoring in addition to his 1blk/1stl. He still plays for Nellie. He still plays with Jax (17fga) Monta (17fga) and Maggette (13fga). Even the super efficient Biedrins, a top 5 fg% guy, doesn’t shoot more than Morrow. It’s a guards game in The City and I doubt that changes much.
Scoring isn’t where his value lies though (even though he’s more than capable as shown by his 26.8ppg and 60% FG% this summer), it’s his defensive stats that are so enticing. He’s a guy who can easily get you 4 steals, 3 blocks, and 8 rebounds any given night, that’s like Kirilenko in his prime. Any points on top of that are just bonus.
I disagree with you on how “easily” those numbers will come. A cursory glance shows he only had 3 2+ blk 2+ stl games last season. Expect his defensive numbers to slip if he’s playing more minutes, as well. While he produces in those categories, assuming he can put up AK in his prime numbers seems to me, once again, to be jumping the gun.
Also, while a capable scorer, you shouldn’t expect that in Nellie’s system. If the points don’t matter, why not take AK *five rounds* later, who can produce those numbers on any given night?
Yeah, it is jumping the gun, but it’s all about upside in fantasy. Ok, AK’s prime 5X5 lines were better, but would you rather spend a top 50 pick betting that AR can’t beat AK’s 11.6/4.8/2.6/1.2/1.2 line from last year, or that AK won’t digress even more?
I’m not sure how his defensive stats decline with more minutes either. In games he played >20 minutes in last year his per-36 minutes line was 15.2/11.1/1.8/1.3/2.3. Keep in mind that was last year and he should only get better. Nellie might be crazy, but he’s not stupid.
True. I believe AR had pretty damn good per-minute numbers. Reggie Evans/ Chris Andersen-esque.
“Nellie might be crazy, but he’s not stupid.”
Yeah, but because he’s so crazy, it makes him LOOK stupid. The fact of the matter is, he knows EXACTLY what he’s doing – which is whatever the hell he wants!
Nellie goes through starting fives like MLB teams go through starting pitchers. I seriously think Nellie has a personal coaching philosophy revolving around giving some of his starters 3 days rest! I can’t prove it though.
That’s what makes using Warriors players in fantasy so frustrating.
Nellie, my man…stick to a rotation once in a while!
Not that I’m defending him or anything, but to his credit, the Warriors are pretty stacked. Most coaches would be lucky just to have to decide between Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph, but Nellie also has to find minutes for Buike, Maggette, Turiaf, Morrow, Watson, Belinelli and Kurz (on top of Ellis, SJ, and Biedrins). Al Harrington was being kind of selfish if you ask me, and Crawford was even worse. One could argue that tanking the season last year was the best move Nellie could have done, they didn’t stand a chance in the standings, and it got them Curry after all. I’d be surprised if Nellie didn’t have a solid 10 deep rotation this time around. How those minutes are going to be distributed on the other hand is anyone’s guess.
not sure how crawford can be blamed for anything after nellie decided he was no longer a useful part of the team – except when he subsequently needed him to be – with almost two months left to play
It wasn’t JC’s fault he wasn’t in their long term plans, but he sure didn’t help his trade value publicly coming out like that. They had to make room for Randolph, and they had to trade Harrington, so JC just got caught up in a salary dump.
They already have $42 million a year committed to just Ellis, Jackson, Maggette, Biedrins and Curry alone over the next 4-5 years, and they have to re-up Turiaf and Randolph still.
Brandan Wright and Belinelli are on the trading block apparently though for anyone who wants two young sleepers. Come on Colangelo, work your magic! We need more Italians.
Would you advise dropping any of these guys for either Randolph or Thomas (it’s a full keeper league, no percentage categories):
Eric Gordon
Josh Howard
Raymond Felton
Jason Terry
Monta Ellis
Paul Millsap
The way it looks to me, if you’re only going to pick up one, pick up Randolph and drop Eric Gordon.
With no percentage cats involved, it looks to me like Gordon only gives you points and nothing much else (if I’m reading BBM’s stats correctly). You can get PPG from the other guys on your list, plus other key stats like assists (Felton) and rebounds (Millsap with Howard and Ellis pitching in a few).
Gordon seems to be the odd man out.
I forgot to mention, 3pt Made is a category in place of the percentages.
We use: Pts, Ass, Reb, Stl, Blk, 3PtM, Curry Line.
That said, I was still leaning towards what you suggested (Gordon out, Randolph in).
Interesting, never thought to use the Curry line as a category before. I like it, but then you’re saying it’s ok to turn it over, as long as you get other counting stats too. And isn’t it a little redundant?
To answer your question, I’d drop Gordon for AR too. Gordon is good (esp. in a keeper league), but too one-dimensional, whereas AR will help you across the board. Also, I’d consider dropping Josh Howard or Jason Terry for Tyrus Thomas too. I just can’t see Howard having a very good year fantasy-wise with Marion on board, and a lot of Terry’s value is tied to his %s.
Either way, you’re better off waiting until the dust settles on some of these situations, ie. Felton, and Millsap.
I’m still iffy on Thomas, but if you could pick him up for Howard, I could see that argument making sense.
I’d keep Terry, though – at least until his %’s start dropping. There’s no reason to think he couldn’t put up the same types of numbers this year – PPG may fall off with Marion now in the mix, but his %’s should still be up there.
I agree with Cap on Felton and Millsap – especially Millsap. He’s got some scary upside if Utah ever settles their situation with Boozer. Hang on to ‘em!
Let me amend that – I just remembered you’re not using %’s.
Having said that, I still think Terry will give you enough to warrant keeping him. Again, his numbers may take a hit, but being he’s more of an outside threat, I don’t see his value being diminished by the others in Dallas’ rotation.
I’d still stick with Terry.
Felton or Millsap, MAYBE. A BIG MAYBE. Sources say Utah will match Portland’s offer for Millsap, which will inevitably pit them deep within luxury tax territory (highest/one of highest payrolls this upcoming season), and everyone and their mama says Boozer is on his way out. Feeling is mutual for both sides (All-Star caliber player w/ 8-figure expiring contract not bad for rental–Miami perhaps). So if he indeed DOES leave, Millsap should be quite handy, top 100 for sure. His FT is sketchy, but other than that, he’s pretty damn good. As for Felton, he has yet to officially find a home (a la Odom). Sources say Iverson could be headed there (relationship w/ Larry Brown), which would seriously dampen his value, as he would not have the ball in his hands the most, and adding in the development of D.J. Augustin. Or perhaps Iverson could be headed to LAC? I’m Ron Burgundy?
Maybe a little late with this response, but take Millsap. I’m a Jazz fan in Salt Lake City. I’m 90% convinced that Millsap is the starting PF for the Jazz and Boozer is gone by the start of the seson.
Matt your next poll should be between my boy DeJuan Blair and Thabeet.. Who will have the more productive rookie season.
Blair averaged 16 pts, 9 reb, 53% FG, 81% FT in Summer League.. I never doubted him……
I know Summer League doesn’t really mean anything, so do you know if the Spurs are planning on giving Blair much playing time in the regular season?
My take on this is probably not. The frontcourt is loaded w/ Tim Duncan and the arrival of RJ, and Finley opted to stay. Looks like he is a back-up at best. However, they are going for the youth movement to build around their core big 3, and everyone and their mother say SAS had the steal of the draft, so I would not be surprised if Pop gives him some good run. As for fantasy, he COULD hold value in deep leagues. Not sure…
he’ll be their fourth big behind duncan, mcdyess, and bonner, so there won’t be tons of minutes available while people are healthy. what is working in his favor is that the spurs won’t want to give duncan (33) or dyess (35) any more minutes than they need to. in general, i like him complementing any of those other frontcourt players and on the roster in general and i do think he’ll be as successful as just about any rookie on the basis of production relative to playing time
“I never doubted him”
If there’s one thing I’ve learned over the years, it’s that you can’t rely on anyone past the big three for fantasy when it comes to the Spurs. They just don’t get enough PT to make an impact. Coach Pop does reward guys with more playing time when they’ve earned it, as was the case with Bonner last season for a couple of stretches. But regardless of how well guys play, Pop has his rotation SET – practically the antithesis of Don Nelson (which is surprising because if memory serves me right, Coach Pop worked under Nelson as an assistant).
Basically, he works the rotation to get maximum production out of minimum minutes. The only factor working in Blair’s favor is what buser said – Pop doesn’t WANT to play his bigs any more than he has to. But unless he decides to drop Duncan’s minutes to 28-30 per game, and limits Dyess and Bonner even more, I don’t see Blair making a huge impact as a rookie. If anything, he’ll put up solid stats for the minutes given to him, and he’ll be relegated to the same argument several of the other Spurs have fallen into – “a good play in deeper leagues”.
The only way I see Blair avoiding that is to become #2 on the depth chart – which IS possible, although logic dictates it’s unlikely. My opinion is he’ll actually fall in line behind Dyess, or even be a committee play with him, which could actually make him more desirable in fantasy play. I see Bonner falling to the 4th spot and being the biggest loser in this whole scenario. I like Bonner’s spirit and hustle, but he’s more a 3pt shooter than anything else, and I think Pop will use him as such when needed.
But only time will tell if “Sans ACLs” will get some run with the Spurs. (That one still gives me the willies!
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The same proactive injury protection argument could be made for Parker and Ginobili too, right? Who has more value this year, George Hill or Roger Mason? I’d probably pick Hill after he averaged 20 ppg in SL.
Yes sir, you got it! Hill has a great chance to put up some numbers allowing for the fact that Pop will want to rest Parker and Ginobili as much as possible. Although, if Mason hits some more clutch shots the way he did last season, he may get more press.
I personally would prefer Hill to Mason though, for your reasons. Plus the fact that he’s the most likely candidate in Pop’s mind to take over for Parker when all is said and done (at least, that’s the way I’m hearing it).
Neither. But what you have given, I would pick Roger. TP was healthy this past season, and he was Finals MVP 2 years removed. George Hill had nice stretches last year, but w/ the bitter taste of a 1st-round exit (has not happened since 2000 I believe), I believe Pop would get his main rotation guys good run while still being as conservative as possible. As for Roger, looks like he will be the starter, w/ Manu’s 6th-man role established. Since Manu can never stay healthy these days, Roger could still have value in 3PM.
Buser or others: Do you know of a website that tracks players that are overseas that teams hold the rights to? For example, I’d like to see which players the Suns hold the rights to that are playing overseas currently.
The only site I could find (doing a search with Yahoo) was this one:
http://www.usbasket.com/
Not sure how good or accurate it is, but it does seem to have a lot of stats regarding players around the world – it’s mainly geared to who’s playing where (Americans currently overseas, foreigners here in the States, etc.). I pulled up a couple of players and the stats are from recent years, including International and Olympic play. But you have to pay to see full profiles of the players though.
If anyone else has more experience with this site, maybe they can tell you more about it and if it’s worth it.
I’ve used this before Phil:
http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/NBA-Rights-Held/
NBA.com has it too:
http://www.nba.com/players/int_players_0809.html
Thanks for all the links, fellas. They all actually offer something a little bit different. I think I’ll have to check each one of them out more intensely.
Ok, follow-up question. I am wondering if anyone knows this or has good source information. How long does an NBA team hold the rights to players playing overseas that were drafted in the second round?
I’ve done some cursory research and 3 years seems to be the consensus but I’ve also seen 3 years with a team option on the fourth.
I am trying to start getting an accurate page of players playing overseas together whose rights are held by NBA teams. By the start of the season, I’d like to have it pulled together.
ths article – albeit from 2005 – seems to suggest that rights to second rounders do not expire, which is what “makes the market so appealing”
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/The-Secondary-Market-in-Draft-Rights-98
That’s interesting. The NBPA website (http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-X.php) seems to be the best source for any financial related articles, but nowhere on it could I find any information on second round picks, perhaps because the secondary market is so appealing it would bring down the salaries of the first rounders? To think the Spurs originally got Ginobili on a 2 year $2.94 million contract, while the Grizzlies are paying Thabeet $20.85 million over 4 years, is just ridiculous.
Interesting… So no definitive answer yet. I am going to do some serious digging and see what I can find. I’ll update you if I find something but will definitely be thoroughly checking out all these links.
You know, I hadn’t really though about it that way, the Ginobili thing I mean.
I guess the only relevance to this topic would be the way the Spurs handled Luis Scola (or maybe I’m missing the boat here on this one). I do remember that they went OVER and OVER with “Luis Scola this year”, and “Luis Scola next year”.
After five years (yes, 5), they ended up trading Scola’s rights to the Rockets for Vassilis Spanoulis (beats the hell out of me!) and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (which turned into the “Steal of the Draft”, DeJuan “SansACLs” Blair).
Scola was a 2nd round pick, so five years in “Draft Rights” limbo is setting the bar pretty high – but my guess is that’s your ceiling to date.
Nice – I will have to look at the Scola case pretty closely. Thanks for the heads up. That is definitely the longest I’ve heard of…
this story about rubio says min has his rights for “as long as he is playing pro ball”. So it looks like there is no limit.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4348398